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Earlsdon Kid
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1381 of 1396  Fri 26th Jun 2020 8:14pm  
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House System I thought this article interesting regarding the house system. I came across it when I was searching for information about why and when KHVIII house system was reduced in number.
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1382 of 1396  Fri 26th Jun 2020 9:03pm  
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Interesting yes... and surprising. But more importantly, disappointing. As a civilised human race (however you define that veneer), we are supposed to progress, aren't we, not go backwards? While they’re at it, I can think of plenty of other things that could be reinstated: slavery; debtors’ prisons; burning people at the stake; ordeal by fire; recriminalizing being of the other persuasion; steam trains to replace electric and diesel; and so on. So the little darlings now need to be “cared for and mentored”. In my day you learnt to be nobody’s fool because there are a lot of nasty people in the big wide world after you leave school. And to think the house system was once the preserve of the posh public schools. Looking at the source, I do wonder if they’ve got their dates wrong. April Fools’ Day has been and gone this year. The lunatics end up in charge of everything. Sane, normal people don't need power trips. James P. Hogan
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Earlsdon Kid
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1383 of 1396  Sat 27th Jun 2020 10:13am  
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That's a thought! However, it may be the case that the human race is not designed to progress but to have a cyclic nature. This would explain the rise and fall of many, if not all, civilizations throughout history. Indeed some may survive longer than others but I can't immediately think of one that hast lasted and progressed throughout the whole of human history! It is debatable whether our present civilization is in a state of rise or fall, but one thing that appears certain is that the planet will survive longer than the human race, excepting major astronomical events of course. Your reference to Ron Hough reminds me of his little "Always Ask WHY" stickers.
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Slim
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1384 of 1396  Sat 27th Jun 2020 12:19pm  
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EK, that's exactly the thought that went through my mind as I started to type - cycles. Everything goes in cycles. In business, they talk about the product life cycle (e.g. carburettors were the order of the day in motor vehicles for a century or so, but have now all but been consigned to the rubbish bin because of the development of more efficient fuel infection systems, and global pollution issues), but It occurred to me that everything has a product life cycle. I've believed for many years that the human race's days are numbered. We will die out one day just like the dodo and the dinosaurs, for whatever reason. Everything we do (and this applies to animals too) is to satisfy the software (operating system) which runs in our brains, whether that action be classed as good or evil, e.g. altruistic charity work versus being a serial killer. In the grand scheme (?) of the universe, there is no good or evil, bad or good. Things just exist; events happen. It is what it is. Good and evil are merely concepts in our brains that man has invented to suit his/her short existence on our little planet. Although if the news is anything to go by, one day we may be moving to other planets or moons! According to some writers, that's where we originally came form - another galaxy or something many eons ago. But's that's science fiction. Back to earth and the past. Despite being wide awake in Ron Hough's lessons, because they were interesting, I don't remember him ever saying "always ask why", or any such stickers. Perhaps that was after my time in the sixties. I do remember him rather unkindly referring to a lad as Four Eyes, simply because he couldn't remember his name. And he knew some German, unfortunately before I started German lessons in the lower fifth, so I didn't know a word, but he loved to come out with bits of his German to impress us, e.g. "Ausgezeichnet!" if someone had done well, or the occasional "Dummkopf!" Of course, he had to tell us the English afterwards, as none of us knew any German. If he liked something, and chose English, his favourite expression was "very smooth". Which was a bit puzzling when, as an exercise, we had to rough up the surface of a piece of material, to measure friction, and he then told it was very smooth...!
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Earlsdon Kid
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1385 of 1396  Sat 27th Jun 2020 3:12pm  
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I was in Ron Houghs' class in the late 60's - see my post no.1071 on page 72 of this thread. I've also posted in the thread 'Stranger than Fiction' as it seems more appropriate than the KHVIII subject.
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Prof
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1386 of 1396  Tue 7th Jul 2020 3:05pm  
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My elder brother was in the Kindergarten around 1937 and the next year evacuated with the rest of the school to Bridgwater. The conditions were not favourable, on my brother's sixth birthday my dad visited and found all the pupils had impetigo from bathing in the same water. He quickly removed him and brought him home. He then informed all the parents he knew of the situation. Was probably the shortest evacuation period of the last war with Germany! Forum library image Edited by Midland Red, 13th Jul 2020 7:19 pm (This post has been copied into the ‘Wartime evacuation’ thread)
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Kaga simpson
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1387 of 1396  Wed 22nd Jul 2020 5:23pm  
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It seems half this forum went to this school, but entry was by fees, school uniforms extra, books and travel fares in my day, thus making most kids round where I lived, out of reach of the pocket to most parents. So the only reach was by just three boys from Foxford and I believe Windmill Road schools, to obtain qualification once a year. It was a tough order, out of over a hundred kids to be in the top three. Then the war came and that system got knocked on the head, and in 1944 there was an Education Act that allowed all kids access to the school, no fees for parents, as I understood it. But the big joke for me, having little education, in very early 1945 I was sent to a special training army camp, full of public school boys - Eton, Oxford, etc. I even found myself sleeping three beds away from Geoffrey Howe, who became the Chancellor years later. So in 1944 when I had my medical and tests in Coventry Drill Hall, what did they find that put this canary among the pigeons?
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Disorganised1
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1388 of 1396  Wed 22nd Jul 2020 10:23pm  
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The number of free places had risen to 30 by the time I attended the senior school in 1965. Supplemented by 5 Governor's scholarships. Possibly my memory is letting me down on those numbers, but in the Alpha stream there were only 4 of us who did not bring in the little envelopes at start of term.
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bohica
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1389 of 1396  Thu 23rd Jul 2020 1:03pm  
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Quite a few of us in the beta stream Lol
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Number 1 Bus
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1390 of 1396  Mon 27th Jul 2020 4:01pm  
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On 22nd Jul 2020 10:23pm, Disorganised1 said: The number of free places had risen to 30 by the time I attended the senior school in 1965. Supplemented by 5 Governor's scholarships. Possibly my memory is letting me down on those numbers, but in the Alpha stream there were only 4 of us who did not bring in the little envelopes at start of term.
I don’t remember this at all. I joined a year later, and as far as I was always aware, the vast majority of places were free, and most pupils got in via the 11 plus. Maybe my memory is letting me down too, but my recollection is that the only fee payers at that time were pupils who didn’t get in through the 11 plus, but whose parents were prepared to pay for a place.
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Kaga simpson
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1391 of 1396  Mon 27th Jul 2020 5:07pm  
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There was some education act in 1944 that changed the system completely all over the country. I'm certain of that because I had waited all my school life to go there. The war came, and then halfway through gave kids the chance to go there three years after I left school, and enlisted. I was livid.
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Midland Red
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1392 of 1396  Mon 27th Jul 2020 5:22pm  
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On 27th Jul 2020 4:01pm, Number 1 Bus said:
On 22nd Jul 2020 10:23pm, Disorganised1 said: The number of free places had risen to 30 by the time I attended the senior school in 1965. Supplemented by 5 Governor's scholarships. Possibly my memory is letting me down on those numbers, but in the Alpha stream there were only 4 of us who did not bring in the little envelopes at start of term.
I don’t remember this at all. I joined a year later, and as far as I was always aware, the vast majority of places were free, and most pupils got in via the 11 plus. Maybe my memory is letting me down too, but my recollection is that the only fee payers at that time were pupils who didn’t get in through the 11 plus, but whose parents were prepared to pay for a place.
That is my recollection too, from 1958 Thumbs up
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Slim
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1393 of 1396  Mon 27th Jul 2020 6:10pm  
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On 27th Jul 2020 4:01pm, Number 1 Bus said: I don’t remember this at all. I joined a year later, and as far as I was always aware, the vast majority of places were free, and most pupils got in via the 11 plus. Maybe my memory is letting me down too, but my recollection is that the only fee payers at that time were pupils who didn’t get in through the 11 plus, but whose parents were prepared to pay for a place.
My recollection is: there were free places, no idea how many, but a mate of mine was a free place. There were one or two governors’ scholarships, but like gold bullion, very rare and for the swats, one of whom I know had private paid-for coaching as his parents were well off. I don’t recall ever doing the 11 plus – it was the entrance exam for KHVIII. I always associated the 11 plus with state schools. Fee payers – that was me that was. My dad had to stump up £30 odd or more every term, a huge sum in those days. And all because I told the truth in the exam. There was a passage about James Brindley, followed by a load of silly questions, one of which was “do you think…” I’d never heard of the bloke, knew nothing about the history of the canals, or history for that matter, so truthfully said I thought he had never existed and that the passage was a work of fiction. Well, some of the stuff was hard to believe. My answer obviously didn’t impress the examiner. The class system manifested itself early on, and so did the unfairness of it all, e.g. being an only child, my parents never got one penny of family allowance, whereas the rich family down the road (the boy who was coached and got a governors’) copped for a stack of family allowance they didn’t need. His mother used to brag that she felt guilty, letting it build up for months then collecting a tidy sum in one go. Kept it all to herself, she did. After I left KHVIII, they changed the law so that even families with one child got family allowance. Too late for our family. Politicians… huh. The irony is that after the fuzzers, I was promoted to the A/alpha stream, so ended up two grades above my free place mate. But my dad still had to pay the fees. I often wonder if I’d have fared better at comprehensive school, as many of my friends/colleagues have done.
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bohica
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1394 of 1396  Mon 27th Jul 2020 8:22pm  
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On 27th Jul 2020 5:07pm, Kaga simpson said: There was some education act in 1944 that changed the system completely all over the country. I'm certain of that because I had waited all my school life to go there. The war came, and then halfway through gave kids the chance to go there three years after I left school, and enlisted. I was livid.
I doubt you missed much Kaga.
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bohica
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1395 of 1396  Mon 27th Jul 2020 8:24pm  
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On 27th Jul 2020 6:10pm, Slim said: I often wonder if I’d have fared better at comprehensive school, as many of my friends/colleagues have done.
A question I often ask myself, Slim. But we can't change what was, can we?
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