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Foxcote
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16 of 21  Thu 7th Nov 2013 10:39pm  
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I'm glad you did inform us that the Landlord was your ancestor, it all makes it much more interesting Thumbs up
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17 of 21  Fri 8th Nov 2013 2:21pm  
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Thanks Foxcote. I am not sure now that this was the Star and Raven as it was called the Leopard Inn in 1822. If you look at the map I put some time ago under the title of "Drink" you can see all the pubs that were in Smithford Street in 1884.
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18 of 21  Fri 8th Nov 2013 9:10pm  
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Hi Anne, I have had another check and as I agree that the Leopard appears to have been on the site at least from 1822, I have found a bit of a gap, where the Leopard may have changed to the Star and Raven and then reverted. I also found a possible reason for the name change. I have found loads of landlords, dates and articles but shan't bore you with reams of it and just give a rough timeline from my findings and hope you can help to confirm whether it is one and the same property. The Leopard appears in the newspapers from 1822-1832 then from 1841 onwards. The Star and Raven appears from 1834-1841, landlord, Richard Redgrave. I did notice him as an ale-seller in 1833 but couldn't confirm he was at the Raven then. So unless I have missed some articles, the dates seems to flow. The important date is July 1832 as the publican at the time, (won't say who in case it upsets someone), committed suicide at the Leopard for money troubles and then in the same month, the contents of the pub were up for sale. So, did they change the name of the pub due to the circumstances? I have never seen a property number for the Star and Raven on any article but the Leopard usually states the number. I have found a few articles where they mention the Leopard as High Street though. So that's it so far, be pleased if you could have a check on my stuff and any confirmation or denials would be greatly appreciated Wave Edited by member, 9th Nov 2013 3:37 pm
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Indiana
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19 of 21  Sat 16th Nov 2013 11:10pm  
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Maybe mildly interesting to this forum: I'm a 4th great grandson of Frances Parker Roberts Butler, the ex-wife of Thomas Grimes Roberts mentioned in the legal documents. I was doing some genealogical research and trying to figure out why Frances' first daughter Sarah A G Roberts had a different father than her brother Henry Butler. I found Thomas Robert's name on a marriage record and then came upon this website describing Thomas leaving Frances and moving to America. Very interesting! And also interesting this forum was just discussing it last week! After Thomas Roberts, Frances Parker married Henry Butler, a butcher from Birmingham and Leicestershire Spa. Their son Henry Butler emigrated to Chicago, and later Goodland, Indiana, where he was the town butcher and built a large building for a meat market that is still in existence as a bank. Frances' daughter Sarah from Thomas Grimes Roberts married a Thomas J Clarke (also mentioned in the documents I believe) who was a farmer, and had a child Harry Emmitt Clarke who became Vicar of Ownston Ferry. Anyway, greetings from Indiana. Very cool website
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20 of 21  Sun 17th Nov 2013 9:52am  
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Greetings to you Indiana and welcome to the Forum Wave I couldn't believe it when I just checked on here this morning! To have all that history revealed is amazing and you thought it may be 'mildly' interesting! It's brilliant and so exciting to discover how well everything turned out. It was an interest in the 'Star and Raven Inn' as a building that instigated it all. You mentioned a 'Leicestershire Spa', that's not familiar to me but we have a 'Leamington Spa' about ten miles from Coventry. So glad you shared that Thumbs up It was Leamington Spa, just checked for you, 1841 and 1851 census, the family were in the High Street, I think No 11. Then in 1861, on to Birmingham as you said, 162 Sherlock Street and Hope Street. Hope this helps. I couldn't find a photo of No. 11 High Street, but I think it's near the Railway Bridge/Clements Street. Going a bit off the 'Coventry ' theme but one of the other members may be able to locate where the shop was for you. I have just read more about Henry in America and he sounded an amazing man, you were very modest about his life's work Wave Edited by member, 17th Nov 2013 1:50 pm
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Indiana
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21 of 21  Sun 17th Nov 2013 7:56pm  
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Oh yes I meant Leamington Spa Thanks for all the information! That is definitely him. I bought some credits on britishnewspaperonline last week, and found an article mentioning the construction of the railroad at his butcher shop. He sued for compensation for making less money in March of 1851 due to the dust in the air from the construction. I looked on Google Earth at the 11 High Street address, and there is a railroad there, but I don't know if its the same building or not. Henry also went through numerous bankruptcies later in life, and may have ended up selling coal and splitting up with Frances. I've researching those details now. There is also a request for an apprentice in the newspaper, and a time he went to the authorities for his apprentice misbehaving. I wasn't aware of how formal the apprentice system was, and had a good time learning about it. Yes Henry Butler (the son) turned out to be very successful! He owned many acres of farmland and other buildings, including an inn. He was written about very fondly in the local newspaper (although I think he was friends with the newspaper guy so maybe a little prejudiced towards him.) His son West was born in England before Henry emigrated. Henry has been great to investigate. He was written about frequently, and also most of my other ancestors came to America 3 or 4 generations earlier and were almost 100% farmers before the 1930's or so. Thanks for the response!
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