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MisterD-Di
Sutton Coldfield
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1111 of 1125  Thu 16th Jan 2020 3:12pm  
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Helen, I agree with your last point, and not just for London. Trying to get anywhere by road in this country is a nightmare of jams and road works which never end. Even local journeys are fraught with heavy traffic, coupled with crumbling roads, parking restrictions and extortionate prices. So much so that we took the decision to go from two cars to one. I sold mine and use public transport for free. Rail services, like buses, aren't great but there isn't much choice. It's an interesting point about reopening old railways too. Where I live there is an idea to reopen the long-defunct Walmley station, which is within walking distance for me. The line is currently for goods only. The idea has apparently been spawned by our inept MP, supported by the equally inept West Midlands mayor. They don't seem to have considered that the line doesn't actually go anywhere useful. Not to Birmingham, nor even to Sutton Coldfield. It meanders from Walsall to Water Orton and I have no doubt that any passenger trains would be empty. I am all for more investment into railways, but not into white elephants and vanity projects that contribute nothing.
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argon
New Milton
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1112 of 1125  Thu 16th Jan 2020 3:34pm  
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MisterD-Di. The point that you raised about reopened services not being used reminds me that, as I said in a previous post, when we lived overlooking the line with the Kenilworth service running on it in the 1950's, it rarely had more than a handful of passengers. I would like to know how it is being used now that it has restarted.
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3Spires
Leicestershire
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1113 of 1125  Thu 16th Jan 2020 4:44pm  
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Hi Argon PeterB's post #1095 shows Kenilworth had a recorded 170,912 passengers for 2018-2019 (I made 2 of the journeys) - quite a bit more than a handful. Edited by member, 16th Jan 2020 4:58 pm
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argon
New Milton
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1114 of 1125  Thu 16th Jan 2020 5:26pm  
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Thanks 3Spires. It's good to know the reopening is a success.
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MisterD-Di
Sutton Coldfield
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1115 of 1125  Thu 16th Jan 2020 7:52pm  
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On 16th Jan 2020 3:34pm, argon said: MisterD-Di. The point that you raised about reopened services not being used reminds me that, as I said in a previous post, when we lived overlooking the line with the Kenilworth service running on it in the 1950's, it rarely had more than a handful of passengers. I would like to know how it is being used now that it has restarted.
My point is that if there is a demand for a service then it should definitely be considered. I'm sure many would be well used, as the Kenilworth example shows. There are various routes around the West Midlands that are ok on their day. I used one for the first time yesterday, Moor Street to Olton. However, there is no point whatsoever in opening the goods line near me for passenger services as cannot see any demand whatsoever for Walsall - Walmley - Water Orton trains. There are currently no stations on the line and reconstructing one in Walmley would be farcical, there isn't even any access. As I said, though, our MP and mayor are just playing to the gallery. Our MP has been here for 18 years and his achievements are to get the town called "Royal" Sutton Coldfield (as if anyone cares) and, er…. that's it. Lol
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Midland Red
Cherwell
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1116 of 1125  Thu 16th Jan 2020 10:03pm  
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On 16th Jan 2020 3:12pm, MisterD-Di said: Where I live there is an idea to reopen the long-defunct Walmley station, which is within walking distance for me. The line is currently for goods only. The idea has apparently been spawned by our inept MP, supported by the equally inept West Midlands mayor. They don't seem to have considered that the line doesn't actually go anywhere useful. Not to Birmingham, nor even to Sutton Coldfield. It meanders from Walsall to Water Orton and I have no doubt that any passenger trains would be empty. I am all for more investment into railways, but not into white elephants and vanity projects that contribute nothing.
Not totally true, as the link to the line to Castle Bromwich still exists, which would thereby allow the opportunity to reinstate the original service from Penns (Walmley) to Birmingham New Street.
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busman
Corley
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1117 of 1125  Mon 20th Jan 2020 7:54am  
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I am interested in railways and have watched the opening of Kenilworth Station with interest. The passenger numbers quoted here are equivalent to 34 passengers per hour based on 52 weeks 6 days operating and 16 hours per day. The units used carry 140 passengers. So we have spent £10m? on the station, continue to subsidise the service, do not have the flexibilty of buses and leave passengers outside both city and village centre with 25% loadings when elsewhere units are full to standing. Suggest no one on here would spend their money on this
Roger Burdett

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3Spires
Leicestershire
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1118 of 1125  Mon 20th Jan 2020 10:50am  
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Hi busman Thanks for doing the maths on this one - the loadings are perhaps a little disappointing but I'm a great believer in "if you build it they will come". It will be interesting to see if the numbers improve following the introduction of the direct Leamington service through to Nuneaton. It is all about connectivity. As for buses - unless the service is subsidised (by you and me), the bus companies aren't interested - bus deregulation has to be one of the biggest con tricks perpetrated on the taxpayer.
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PeterB
Mount Nod
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1119 of 1125  Mon 20th Jan 2020 4:26pm  
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Hi busman, The planning application for the station gave a usage of figure of 275,000. It takes a number of years for a new station to reach their full potential. Coventry Arena has seen a 30% increase in two years while Bermuda Park has seen an 80% increase. Given the 170,000 is for 11 months with no Sunday service I think they are well on target to hit the forecast. From observation the majority of passengers are through passengers (not getting on/off at Kenilworth) and I think the new service has made a Coventry-Leamington commute by train more attractive compared to an over-crowed Voyager on an (often late) Cross Country train. Figures are not available for this, but Coventry and Leamington have both posted an increase in passenger numbers. The present trains are second hand ex-London so the only cost was for the refurbishment (adding toilets). Peter.
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Slim
Another Coventry kid
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1120 of 1125  Mon 20th Jan 2020 10:12pm  
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Yes, reaching critical mass takes time. When I was at school, there were about 2 trains per hour at Coventry station, okay, maybe 3. Now there's a train every 2 or 3 minutes, like the underground. I hope KNW will pick up in time - it's had since 1965-ish for passengers to desert the train and go elsewhere (thanks to Beeching and the then government's short termism). I wasn't aware that the present newish oilers* are second hand. * diesel
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busman
Corley
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1121 of 1125  Tue 21st Jan 2020 8:13am  
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Well hopefully Peter B the numbers quoted are for Kenilworth passengers rather than through passengers as that destroys the value cost for Kenilworth Station even more. On the point for bus de-regulation the correspondents obviously cannot remember the shambolic state rural services were in pre 1986. The only reason even now that most rural services run is for bus pass users only as the increase in car usage continues. Back in the 80s Kenilworth-Coventry by bus was every 30 minutes now it is every 10 minutes (probably thanks to Warwick Uni) so connectivity is certainly better now.
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Slim
Another Coventry kid
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1122 of 1125  Tue 21st Jan 2020 10:18am  
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busman said: Back in the 80s Kenilworth-Coventry by bus was every 30 minutes now it is every 10 minutes (probably thanks to Warwick Uni) so connectivity is certainly better now.
It certainly is, in term time. We have a lot of students who live in Leamington.
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Old Lincolnian
Coventry
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1123 of 1125  Wed 22nd Jan 2020 1:54pm  
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I sometimes travel to Kenilworth by train during the day and there are usually quite a few Coventry University students on it who are staying in either Kenilworth or Leamington. It is a lot quicker and easier than travelling by bus, especially if the bus goes via Gibbet Hill Road which is gridlocked at peak times. I would be interested to know the relevant of number of users for term time and non-term time as I suspect there may be quite a difference. As an aside, the 2020 edition of the Bachmann Collectors Club calendar has got a photograph of Kenilworth station as the page for August. Fame at last, though it is fairly deserted!
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Helen F
Warrington
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1124 of 1125  Wed 22nd Jan 2020 3:35pm  
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I see that Network Rail, the renationalised bit, is in trouble.
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PeterB
Mount Nod
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1125 of 1125  Mon 27th Jan 2020 9:40pm  
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Flash back to the 1970's today at Coventry. (Empty charter train going back to sidings at Burton on Trent). Peter.
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