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1 of 17  Sat 1st Apr 2017 10:01pm  
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Grateful for help in tracking down John Thomas who lived in Earlsdon in 1920-1940s He was (according to his mother's probate) a master ironmonger; in 1927 he was living with his mother at 4 Albany Road (Earlsdon) and she later lived in Kensington Road. John was another tank crewman who fought at the Battle of Flers-Courcelette on 15 September 1916. The following year he was selected for officer training and was commissioned in November 1917 and to France in March 1918, about the time of the great German advance and was posted to his old unit, 3rd Light Battalion Tank Corps. He was discharged in February 1919 and returned to Coventry where he took up his old trade of ironmonger. I think he married a woman called Amanda but I cannot be certain. If anyone has information about John and his family, I would be most grateful if you could share it. Stephen Pope
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Annewiggy
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2 of 17  Sun 2nd Apr 2017 10:56am  
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Hi FTC. There is a report in the Coventry Evening Telegraph 30th March 1916 under the heading "Warwickshire Appeals" "Position of conscientious objectors". John Thomas 58 Earlsdon Street represented by Mr Mander. Basically he had tried to sell his business without success, he was the only Ironmongers in the district. He produced 2 medical certificates. He was granted 1 more month until April 30th. Hope this is a little help. Looking at the map I believe 58 Earlsdon Street is now Boots the Chemist! Edited by member, 2nd Apr 2017 11:08 am
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3 of 17  Sun 2nd Apr 2017 9:57pm  
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Hello Anne Thanks for following up so quickly and also for the very useful information. Smile He must have managed to sort out his business affairs quite quickly as he joined the Army at Coventry in the week of 25 May

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Heathite
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4 of 17  Sun 2nd Apr 2017 10:50pm  
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Hello. On the 1939 register, at 163 Earlsdon Avenue, there is John THOMAS born 1887 11th February, with Hilda M (May?) THOMAS (probably nee LINES). Hilda's dob is 1898 29th October. John THOMAS is recorded as a Master Ironmonger, Hilda is Unpaid domestic duties. There is one redacted entry, and that is probably for Audrey J THOMAS, born 1929. John and Hilda were married in 1927 Q2 Coventry. The image is from the 1935 Coventry directory. Edited by member, 2nd Apr 2017 10:58 pm
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5 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 9:28am  
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Thought I was going mad then until I realised he must have moved down the road. At some time, probably during the war, he must have given up the shop at 58 which eventually became Boots the Chemist. He then traded from 52 Earlsdon Street. He is still advertising there in 1953.
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6 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 9:34am  
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J Thomas 1911 Which is still Boots Edited by member, 3rd Apr 2017 9:36 am
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Heathite
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7 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 10:06am  
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Thanks for that, what a brilliant picture. I have researched a bit for John's birth place but got nowhere so far. Others have published 'trees' on Ancestry but I think they've mixed him up with a John Frith THOMAS. I have an idea that John the Master Ironmonger was born in Cornwall, maybe Camborne. John Frith THOMAS lived in Bulwer Road (Radford?) John THOMAS died in 1964 13th May 163 Earlsdon Avenue, probate to Hilda May THOMAS widow, and Robert Arthur BRINDLEY, solicitor (Brindley Twist Tafft James?)
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8 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 10:37am  
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Thanks once again for helping my research and for the superb additional information. "My" John Thomas was definitely born on 11 Feb 87 and the date of his marriage rings true as he was living with his mother until 1927. His Army records show he was born in London, his father was Danish who was naturalised in 1885. He commanded the Whippet tank "Comme Ca" in August 1918 during the battle of Amiens when the Allied Armies broke through the German defences and then pushed forward for 10 days, defeating the German Army in the field,.
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Heathite
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9 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 11:19am  
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So he was a 'JORGENSEN' ?
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10 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 6:08pm  
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The record does not given his father's name; his mother's name was Mayer but he seems to have been known as "Thomas" by 1911. No sign of siblings but Audrey J Thomas, whose mother's maiden name was Lines was born in 3rd qtr 1929 in C
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Heathite
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11 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 7:57pm  
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More info; In the Coventry 1926 directory there is at number 4 Albany Road, Mrs. Elizabeth Frances MAYOR. On the 1939 register (courtesy 'findmypast') living at 52 Kensington Road Coventry; Elizabeth F MAYER b.25th June 1858 Unpaid domestic duties, widow. Christine M THOMAS b.21st March 1885 Dog and Poultry shop, single.
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12 of 17  Mon 3rd Apr 2017 11:31pm  
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Your info on Elizabeth matches mine but I can't find where she was born. I think Christine must have been John's sister - she died in Coventry in 1957. The houses in Albany Road look substantial - was it a reasonably affluent place?
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13 of 17  Tue 4th Apr 2017 8:07am  
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Not having all the information it's difficult to follow but am I correct in thinking that Elizabeth was married to Mr Thomas and then Mr Mayer or have you found Mayer as her maiden name ? Hooe that makes sense !!
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14 of 17  Tue 4th Apr 2017 8:34am  
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On 3rd Apr 2017 11:19am, Heathite said: So he was a 'JORGENSEN' ?
I think you've hit the nail on the head here, Heathite Thumbs up Marriage, 19 Sep 1881, Christ Church, Gipsey Hill, Lambeth Carl Thomas Jorgensen ***, 25, bachelor, Ship Broker, res. Leighton, Essex (*** he died 14 September 1887 at 57 Palace Road, Crouch End, Middlesex) Elizabeth Frances Brain, 23, spinster, res. Camden Villas, Gipsey Hill Birth, March 1/4 1887, Edmonton 3a 286 Thomas John Jorgensen, mother's maiden name Brain The marriage in 1927 of Hilda M Lines is indexed twice, to John Thomas and to John Jorgensen Thumbs up Elizabeth Frances Brain - her birth was registered as Frances Elizabeth Brain Oh my Sept 1/4 1858, Hackney 1b 287
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15 of 17  Tue 4th Apr 2017 10:01am  
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“John Thomas” had two sisters: Elizabeth Amanda, birth reg. Sept ¼ 1883, West Ham 4a 180 Christine May, birth reg. June ¼ 1885, Edmonton 3a 244 – her death is recorded in Sept ¼ 1957, Coventry 9c 618,age 72 (as Christine M Jorgensen) The 1901 census (Fulham) records: Elizabeth Jorgensen, age illegible (thirty something!), b Kingsland Amanda Jorgensen, 17, b Leytonstone, Essex Christine Jorgensen, 16, b Crouch End The really interesting find is the 1911 census for Brighton: Elizabeth Mayers, 49, married (4 years), b London Elizabeth Jorgensen, 27, b Leytonstone, Essex Christine Jorgensen, 25, b Crouch End Thomas Jorgensen, 23, Clerk, b Crouch End
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