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Rob Orland
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1 of 82  Mon 24th Sep 2018 3:29pm  
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I'm sure that in time this will develop into a proper thread for discussion of our Coventry Cross, but meanwhile I thought we could put it to good use in objecting to the needless destruction of a wonderful monument. The link below will allow us all to make our voices heard by signing a petition.... https://myaccount.coventry.gov.uk/Petitions The above link might only work for those already signed into the council website. For those without an account, try this link (although you might need to create an account to sign the petition).... http://www.coventry.gov.uk/petitions
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Osmiroid
UK
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2 of 82  Mon 24th Sep 2018 5:12pm  
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If only there were preservation laws that could stand up to developers' wallets. I hope if they win it won't just be destroyed. But putting it in Ironmonger Square, apart from looting the back streets of their treasures, would be odd as it was originally somewhere in Broadgate near where the Godiva statue is now, and the two things would visually compete with each other if it was moved to there. So best all round to stay where it is.
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bohica
coventry
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3 of 82  Mon 24th Sep 2018 5:47pm  
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I've signed it, but from reading O'Boyle's tirade about unelected representatives, I don't think the petition will do much good. I suspect that this is a 'done deal' and will be a rubber stamping exercise when it comes before the planning committee - I hope my thoughts are proven wrong.
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flapdoodle
Coventry
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4 of 82  Mon 24th Sep 2018 6:44pm  
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Personally, I think its current location is poor. It's stuck there as a bit of an afterthought, and isn't even where it used to be - we don't use crosses to mark markets anymore, so I'm not even sure what the point of it is - when it was planned pre-war it may have fitted in with old city, but now it seems a little pointless. Not sure what the fuss is, as it's a 20th century replica and isn't even made from the same materials as the original cross. That corner with its 'gap site' looks a bit incomplete as well and need improving.
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Prof
Gloucester
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5 of 82  Tue 25th Sep 2018 8:06am  
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The replica cross was a gift to the city from the Coventry Boy Foundation. So the Council completely ignores that fact because it suits them to let the developers in. Their record of sticking banal items, like the Millenium arches, and the blue walkway over Lady Herbert's, is appalling! They have no sense of continuity or sensitivity. Let us hope in this matter I will be proved wrong!
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Garlands Joke Shop
Coventry
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6 of 82  Thu 27th Sep 2018 7:32pm  
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It would be a terrible shame for the majority of the cross, composed of reinforced concrete, to end up in a skip and the statues (in the niches) and the other ornamental details that are salvaged to potentially end up in long- term storage. It shouldn't be forgotten that it took the individuals who proposed the cross' construction 46 years to finally see the cross built in the 1970's.
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Roger Turner
Torksey
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7 of 82  Fri 28th Sep 2018 9:32am  
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Hi Rob, I don`t know if I`ve done the right thing, but I have signed the petition using your "my account" thingy, I filled in the first line of my address and my post code, then it asked me to click a box that said "I confirm that I live, work or study in Coventry" which I didn`t click, then I fell foul of the dreadful Kapcha, finally got it right after managing to identify a chimney, but when I clicked the "sign" bit it returned me to the box I hadn`t clicked. I decided to confirm that I was born in Coventry, evacuated from Coventry, received my education in Coventry, went to Tech in Coventry (worked on building the Lanchester and loads of other buildings around Coventry). Bought the A1 to Scotland, then emigrated there for 20 years, then returned and settled in yellow belly county and now visit Coventry regularly, contribute and study at this wonderful University of Coventry namely this forum Historic Coventry (even if I don`t contribute, I read it most days). So all in all if anybody asks I consider I fulfil all the requirements of the confirmation. Oh, when I view the mess from the elevated section of the ring road as I drive in, I prefer not to comment. Cheers
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Rob Orland
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8 of 82  Fri 28th Sep 2018 9:56am  
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On 28th Sep 2018 9:32am, Roger Turner said: .... So all in all if anybody asks I consider I fulfil all the requirements of the confirmation.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, it definitely sounds like you more than qualify! Wink
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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9 of 82  Mon 1st Oct 2018 1:34pm  
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In the remote past, crosses were erected where men drew together for mutual defence against hostile neighbours and for exchange of commodities. Annual fairs were held, religious and crusade preachings delivered, mystery plays enacted. 'Fierce Fires were made for religious persecutions and tortures' (can't say I approve of that) despite being in the famous Fearsome Airborne Division, whilst the spaces were used alike for military displays, and for the assembly of troops in wartime. At present times they became our markets and Smithfields built on the same grounds.
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Frances
Kenilworth
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10 of 82  Mon 1st Oct 2018 2:21pm  
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Hello Rob, Have I got this right!!!??? Coventry Council are pulling down the Coventry Cross. I walk past it every time I go into the Herbert and never cease to admire the structure. Of course it is nothing like the original but then it's not the original but a gift to the city. Nevertheless it is decorative and fits in with its situation perfectly being near the Cathedral - and the Slug and Lettuce! Whatever next! Perhaps it will be Whitefriars Workhouse - after all we need new student high rise accommodation like a hole in the head and where better to put these eyesores than in the middle of the ring road - excellent choice NOT. I come into Coventry on the bus from the Park and Ride from the Kenilworth area and am shocked. Did anyone know that Coventry (our medieval City of Culture) is now known among certain of the locals - or the ones I talk to on the bus as "Student City" - and whatever is the Theme Park doing in New Union Street!? Is Coventry determined to become a laughing stock!!?? I am horrified. Angry Frances
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Rob Orland
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11 of 82  Mon 1st Oct 2018 5:55pm  
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Hello Frances, It's certainly pretty scary to think that our councillors are capable of thinking along such lines - and even more so considering our city's pending "cultural" status. How anybody could possibly equate the demolition of a major monument with the gaining of a few square yards for a coffee shop is completely beyond me. We can only hope that common sense will eventually prevail - if any still exists!
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AD
Allesley Park
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12 of 82  Mon 1st Oct 2018 8:24pm  
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On 1st Oct 2018 2:21pm, Frances said: Have I got this right!!!??? Coventry Council are pulling down the Coventry Cross. I walk past it every time I go into the Herbert and never cease to admire the structure. Of course it is nothing like the original but then it's not the original but a gift to the city....
While I agree that the Cross shouldn't be got rid of, I'd much prefer it to be in a more prominent position - it's hidden where it is and doesn't tell you anything about the siting or purpose of the original cross, which had absolutely nothing to do with the church. It was more a sign of a market or trading place and so should be either in Broadgate or the precinct. Much of the rest I'm afraid I find alarmist. Yes, Coventry is a student city and what is wrong with that? It's bringing young people into a city they probably wouldn't otherwise go near and are spending their money in our economy and creating jobs at both the universities and local businesses they use. They're potential residents and families of this city in the future. The universities can help encourage other industry into the area with their research and reputations in certain aspects. Students nowadays are (on the whole) far less rowdy than in the past. Now you have to pay for the courses and don't get grants they take it far more seriously rather than in the past where it was largely a jolly. At the moment there is a need for more student accommodation, as demand is outstripping supply, hence why so many of the buildings have been built in so short a space of time while plans for offices etc have got nowhere because the demand just isn't there. Do you realise how many of the houses in the surroundings areas like Spon End, Earlsdon and Stoke are now multiple occupancy rented out to students, thus preventing people getting on the housing ladder as private landlords buy them up? These student blocks are starting to see some of these come back on the market and this must be a positive. As for the theme park, I agree I find it's location next to the third spire just a little jarring and would prefer it further away, but it's actually much less intrusive I find that Greyfriars House it replaces. Also, City of Culture is a many faceted thing, not just history. It encompasses art and sculpture (from classical to modern and even graffiti), music (again from classical to modern things like rap), theatre and film, literature, architecture (from our medieval heritage through Victorian, post war modernism and post-modern), food (traditional to modern cuisine inspired by foreign dishes), sport, industry, learning and many more things besides. It is not about us being a medieval city - if it was just a celebration of our medieval heritage perhaps we'd do best to just dump many tonnes of horse manure around the city streets and have smoke machines constantly pumping noxious air into the city centre? Although I know on the whole this post has been critical of your points, please don't take it personally - I'm just pointing out counter arguments to what you've asserted and as a discussion forum this is a place of debate and I am more than happy for you to criticise what I've said.
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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13 of 82  Wed 3rd Oct 2018 1:33pm  
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AD said, the purpose of the original cross, which had nothing to do with the church. The city annals inform us that in the following year, 1609, the image of CHRIST, not according probably with Puritan ideas of the local Governors, was taken down from the cross and a figure of Godiva substituted. This was, however, shortly afterwards exchanged for the King's arms. (It went on to say) men in special authority, one of them pulled down the picture of CHRIST from the market cross as a monument of superstition, having been there many hundreds of years, and placed instead a picture of a naked lady without superstition. August 1771; agreed by the house that the inhabitants of Cross Cheaping be at liberty, and they are here authorised, if they see fit, to take down the cross. The stones, statues and mouldings of the cross were thus distributed amongst the citizens generally. An Alderman of the city took the four statues and placed them in his garden. When he was dying, he directed the statues be given to the Corporation, accordingly removed and placed in St. Mary's Hall.
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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14 of 82  Thu 4th Oct 2018 2:56pm  
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At Redfin lane, situated between Kenilworth and Berkswell, was an old stone farm house, 'The Image House', so named from the fact that several of the statues from the Coventry Cross were removed and set up there, on it being pulled down in the year 1771 by an Alderman of the City named Brockle, who at the time possessed the place. We are told that the statue of King Henry - which now adorns the principal staircase of St Mary's Hall Coventry - for many years stood as a faithful sentinel watching by the side of the backdoor, whilst the other figures had more lowly positions allotted to them, differing altogether from their original and elevated character. The statue of St Peter was stood on a wall, where the farm cock perched on his shoulder would wake the morn., while St Christopher, a fellow saint, was placed at his feet in the pig sty. When he died they were restored to a more befitting place, in the niches of the Oriel window of St Mary's Hall.
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Helen F
Warrington
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15 of 82  Thu 4th Oct 2018 4:21pm  
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I don't have a say in this because it's not my money that will be used to move it but I think it's in the wrong place. While rather magnificent, it's put to shame by the buildings round it. I walked passed it several times before I saw it. I was too busy looking up. The worry with moving is that it could be damaged in the move or that it might become a more prominent target for vandals.
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