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zephyr123
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1 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 10:25am  
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Hi all Anyone have any info (photo would be great) of Brewers Arms, 71 Craven Street, 1874-1909 Ta
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2 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 11:26am  
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Hi Zephyr and welcome to the forum Wave Afraid not other than this map and I think the location is marked wrong in any case! As far as I can tell from reading planning records, No 71 was the last building in Craven Terrace next to the public footpath which links Hearsall Lane and Craven Street. This was destroyed in the war and much later rebuilt as a pair of flats with an underground garage which may occupy the space once used as a cellar. Edited by member, 27th Nov 2015 1:29 pm
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Midland Red
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3 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 11:53am  
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Is it not this building from the above map which now looks like a converted shop at 46 Craven Street ? Google Maps The 1891 Census shows Brewers Arms as 71 Craven Street and Craven Arms as 65 (it's 58 now!) so the renumbering of the buildings may have caused the change
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4 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 1:23pm  
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You could well be correct Midland Red although in my day it was being used as a post office.
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5 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 1:30pm  
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Just looked again at the 1891 Census Craven Arms is 65 (Frederic H Smith - Licensed Victualler) Brewers Arms is 71 (William Gorsuch - Watch Gilder - Licensed Victualler) Post Office / Grocers Shop is 73 (Edward Beaumont - Grocer & Watch Finisher) Thumbs up
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6 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 2:16pm  
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Thanks for that Midland Red Thumbs up This segment of a town planning map from 1905 shows the Brewers Arms as being where the post office was located when I lived in the street!
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7 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 2:35pm  
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I wonder what 46 was as it looks like an ex-shop front today And counting out on your map the legend "Brewers Arms" is against 46 rather than 44 There's an alleyway between 44 and the Post Office (42) both on your map and on today's Google Map which confirms which property is which
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8 of 29  Fri 10th Feb 2012 3:08pm  
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Indeed, Midland Red. No 46 looks most like the post office I remember when I lived in Craven Street yet every council map up to 1972 shows it as being at No 42! Its frontage would have been painted red and there was a postbox let into the front wall. I don't see any way No 42 could once have had a post box or a sign indicating it was a post office?
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9 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 8:57am  
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Spot on dutchman, #71 is indeed on the end of Craven Terrace (I live there) so I was a bit puzzled about the map, as the writing 'Brewers Arms' doesn't actually indicate where it is, as the Coombe and Hearsall does. Wish I could track down a photo.
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10 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 9:13am  
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Morning Zephyr 71 was the Brewers Arms under the old numbering system If you look at the map and work along from Craven Arms (was 65, now 58) 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73 became 56, 54, 52, 50, 48, 46, 44, 42 The B of Brewers Arms is against 71/46, the Post Office is 73/42 - see the alleyway on the map between (now) 44 and 42 which is clear to see on Google Maps Hope this clarifies it for you Cheers
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11 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 11:46am  
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Well I'm still intrigued, how can even numbers be changed over to odd numbers? Don't make sense.
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12 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 11:52am  
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No doubt someone can explain why it was done, but the change was from consecutive numbers to odds and evens on opposite sides of the road If you look at 46 Craven Street on Google Maps you can move along the row and see the various buildings and the alleyways referred to
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13 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 12:18pm  
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Craven Street ended just beyond Mount Street in those days. The extensions to (at first) Sir Thomas White Street and then Queensland Avenue didn't come until much later. A huge swathe of houses were destroyed in the Blitz. Sad
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14 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 12:23pm  
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Hi dutchman. Just to make this topic more confusing, "B" of Brewers Arms on map is indeed against 46, which does look like a shop front. Post Office (1891) was at #73 which is 42 today, and having just walked across the street for the millionth time to have another look, it don't look like a commercial premises at all? Confused dot com Roll eyes
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15 of 29  Sat 11th Feb 2012 1:08pm  
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Indeed Zephyr, I am confused as well. To add to my confusion there is a building further up your side of the street (currently No 105) which looks very much to me as if it was a pub at one time but I can find no record of it having been used as such. It's internal layout is entirely consistent with being used as a pub and it even has a cellar! For a very long time I was convinced this was the erstwhile Brewers Arms: An alternative explanation is that it was once a master watchmaker's house but in that case it would bear a blue plaque to that effect! Incidentally, the tiny house to the right of the house is a very recent addition. Edited by member, 27th Nov 2015 1:41 pm
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