Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member | 1 of 21 Fri 16th Nov 2012 4:18pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 I have found details of the sale of The Star and Raven in 1837 with other properties being sold at the same time in the city, I like reading such details because it gives descriptions of the interiors and rental terms etc.
There are various points relating to the linked article that I can't seem to fathom and hoped someone could help.
The sale was the 'life interest' of Thomas Grimes Roberts, aged twenty six years? Misprint or what?
I can't find much detail for him at all in the BMD's, obits in the papers, obviously not the census if he had died before 1837. I did find a marriage at St. Michael, 30th November 1836 to a Sarah Smart? Being a 'man of substance', I thought he would be easy to trace and just thought he would be an interesting person to learn about and his business interests in the City. It mentions a 'Grimes Court' as well.
I wondered if anyone has heard of him before or could fill in some more information of him and buildings he owned. |
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dutchman Spon End All posts by this member | 2 of 21 Fri 16th Nov 2012 5:53pm Member: Joined Mar 2010 Total posts:2976 Almost nothing is known about the exact location of the "Star and Raven", we can only assume it was renamed at some time? Am unable to find "Grime's Court" on any map either.
The "Sign of the Harp" is almost certainly a reference to the Welch Harp at 24 Market Street. Few people could read in those days so pubs were identified by painted signs or unusual objects. |
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 3 of 21 Fri 16th Nov 2012 7:08pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 Thanks Dutchman, the Star and Raven seemed to be the 'Old Star' in the 1841 census and the 'Old Star' yard. The article states that Grimes Court was opposite the Star and Raven. I'll have a look at some more articles concerning licensees and see what comes up. |
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dutchman Spon End All posts by this member | 4 of 21 Fri 16th Nov 2012 8:22pm Member: Joined Mar 2010 Total posts:2976 That one was in Earl Street Foxcote and is well documented. ![]() |
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 5 of 21 Mon 19th Nov 2012 8:58am Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 I found a reference to the Grimes/Smithford Street interest of mine in an article. In 1819, one of the chief Coaching Offices was Grimes Liquor Shop in Smithford Street. One of the coaches, 'The Retaliator' stopped there at 6pm every evening. Mr Grimes would have had a good business. |
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 6 of 21 Mon 19th Nov 2012 3:17pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 The estate of Thomas Grimes Roberts mentions 'The Leopard' at 64 Smithford Street, I wonder if that had been the Star and Raven? |
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dutchman Spon End All posts by this member | 7 of 21 Mon 19th Nov 2012 4:15pm Member: Joined Mar 2010 Total posts:2976 It's extremely likely Foxcote given that a) The Welsh (Welch) Harp is also mentioned as part of the same estate and b) The only wine & spirits merchants I could find in Smithford Street was directly opposite the Leopard at 8a and had a yard attached to it! (Most likely the eponymous "Grimes' Yard"). ![]() ![]() |
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 8 of 21 Mon 19th Nov 2012 4:55pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 There's a bit more Dutchman and it's mentioning an 'Ensor Yard' and I am getting a bit confused. The Herbert has some papers referring to the Star and Raven but they can't be accessed online. I've seen Thomas Grimes, Auctioneer, in the old papers, and discounted it but it is indeed him. According to a newpaper cutting, his auctioneer's office was next door to The Leopard in 1827. |
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dutchman Spon End All posts by this member | 9 of 21 Mon 19th Nov 2012 5:57pm Member: Joined Mar 2010 Total posts:2976 It all points to it being the Leopard, it even mentions the malt house being at the back ![]() |
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 10 of 21 Sun 25th Nov 2012 8:07pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 Here I am back on harping on about my obsession with the mysterious 1835 City plan. I think Morgana started me off because I was looking for details of an artist regarding a Leper House, anyhow I ended up on an article from 'The Historical Atlas of Britain', (which sounds a good buy), the search opened up a really good thirteen page, quite detailed history of the City. However, on the last page at the bottom, a reference caught my eye.
Plan of the City of Coventry, 1837. (MS in Coventry City Library). It ties up with the Dutchman's knowledge that it took ages to get such maps into print and very likely this is the 1835 one advertised in an earlier thread on here. I wonder if anyone on here would be able to access it from the Library or has it been moved to the Herbert. I only have a Warwickshire Library Membership, could anyone help to locate it?
I have linked to the 13 page article anyway because I thought it may be interesting.
Short History of Coventry
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mickw nuneaton All posts by this member | 11 of 21 Thu 7th Nov 2013 7:22pm Member: Joined Oct 2013 Total posts:439 Hi Foxcote I`ve only just read this topic. I`ve looked up the Star and Raven on the Real Ale Rambles site which does list its address as Smithford Street and lists the licensee in 1835 as Richard Redgrave ![]() |
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 12 of 21 Thu 7th Nov 2013 8:58pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 Thanks mickw ![]() ![]() |
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Annewiggy Tamworth All posts by this member | 13 of 21 Thu 7th Nov 2013 9:32pm Member: Joined Jan 2013 Total posts:1839 Drawing of the Leopard Inn
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Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member Thread starter | 14 of 21 Thu 7th Nov 2013 9:59pm Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 Thanks for sharing that Annewiggy. I just checked on the landlords of the Leopard and I spotted a 'Yardley'. I guess that's another story on the 'Yardley topic' ![]() |
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Annewiggy Tamworth All posts by this member | 15 of 21 Thu 7th Nov 2013 10:07pm Member: Joined Jan 2013 Total posts:1839 Yes I did not mention that as I keep getting into trouble for introducing different subjects but Henry Yardley was my great grandfather's brother. |
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