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flapdoodle
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1 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 1:11pm  
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I was wondering around the back of the Burges today, and wondered what this building was used for. It doesn't look particularly old, but it's an odd shape! Are there any photographs of this area in the past? Were there buildings alongside the (cobbled) streets?
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NeilsYard
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2 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 1:54pm  
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That area really fascinates me too, flap. The view to the back of buildings behind the Burges where the Sherbourne is viewable is one area in town that still looks like old Coventry. There's another thread on here about the building to the right of that one which is the entrance to the bunker underneath the former Owens building. That one does look odd though doesn't it? I'll get Googling!
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TEKMELF
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3 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 2:09pm  
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The building prior to closing down was a tool store, possibly Tuck and Blakemore. The entrance to Owen Owen was in fact a service tunnel to deliver the goods into the store.
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flapdoodle
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4 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 2:09pm  
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There were plans to do some sort of regeneration of this area. I've visited towns where places like this have been turned into little shopping areas for non-mainstream goods - somewhere like Camden locks. There are timbers in the some of the buildings: I saw the Sherbourne - although I didn't realise it was so small! Odd little area. They really do need to get something built where the pub was, as the area is a bit of a mess!
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dutchman
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5 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 2:30pm  
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On 28th May 2013 2:09pm, TEKMELF said: The building prior to closing down was a tool store, possibly Tuck and Blakemore.
It's listed in planning records as belonging to John Hall Tools Ltd. but was last used as offices.
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flapdoodle
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6 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 3:49pm  
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Thanks Dutchman and TEKMELF. Have you got a map of the area as it was pre-war?
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dutchman
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7 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 5:37pm  
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On 28th May 2013 3:49pm, flapdoodle said: Have you got a map of the area as it was pre-war?
Yes but none of the buildings in Trinity Street appear on it: Old-Maps.co.uk (1937) The cleared area shown on the map was formerly Smithfield Market.
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dutchman
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8 of 243  Tue 28th May 2013 10:59pm  
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The long thin building running parallel to it is the receiving warehouse for Owen Owen which has since been demolished.
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Annewiggy
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9 of 243  Wed 29th May 2013 5:55pm  
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If the building behind was a receiving warehouse for the pre war Owen Owen store could it have perhaps been the goods in offices for Owen Owen. Lorries coming down Palmer Lane would have gone round it. Incidentally I just googled Owen Owen and I never realised all the years I shopped there that it was a person's name, apparently he came from Machynlleth.
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flapdoodle
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10 of 243  Wed 29th May 2013 6:07pm  
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I think that's a good theory. It looks as if the building has the same frontage as the one next to it (that has now gone) which means they may have been built at the same. I really do think the layout of that area was far better pre-war. Donald Gibson's layout is terrible, just like most of his layout for the Precinct.
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Helen F
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11 of 243  Thu 4th Aug 2016 5:05pm  
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Does anyone know if any parts of the buildings on the east side of the Burges are half timbered underneath the brick skin? I ask because there are images of the old version. It is a 2 storey with dormers and a steep roof. Sometimes when modernising these, they just used the original building but added a flat front and a shallower, slate roof that allowed the attic rooms to become a true third level. Other times they rebuild from sratch.
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flapdoodle
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12 of 243  Thu 4th Aug 2016 8:27pm  
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Yes, they are. Go round the back and you can see timbers. You can also see some inside Forbidden Planet.
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Midland Red
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13 of 243  Thu 4th Aug 2016 9:06pm  
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Don't know if this helps Oh my
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Helen F
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14 of 243  Thu 4th Aug 2016 10:28pm  
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Thanks MR, great photos as usual. Thumbs up Flapdoodle, yes, that's the sort of thing I was looking for, especially the bit about the Forbidden Planet interior. Often the rear extension survived untouched while they tarted up the front or built a new one. Sometimes they even kept the rear slope to the roof and just changed the street view to Georgianise it. Sometimes they even added a bit of fake wall above the upstairs window to simulate a full height Georgian fa├žade, while the roof still came to the top of the window. Originally buildings like those in the Burges might have been rejected for listing because they didn't seem special but now with dendro dating and more experience they're finding parts of much older buildings hidden within later structures. I wondered if any of the plans for the area might delve into their history. The reason I'd like to know is that it's easier to un modernise a structure than guess what a totally new building replaced. It gives clues to floor heights and roof lines. Chimneys, etc.
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Rob Orland
Historic Coventry
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15 of 243  Fri 5th Aug 2016 10:50am  
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I hope the photo below will be useful in some way. I took it last year from a tiny window in the back of a cafe in The Burges (might not be a cafe any more), which overlooks the short length of uncovered Sherbourne, which is right below the camera. Nice to see some original uncladded timber work.
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