Foxcote Warwick All posts by this member | 1 of 60 Fri 26th Oct 2012 9:14am Member: Joined Jan 2012 Total posts:900 |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Osmiroid UK All posts by this member | 2 of 60 Tue 7th Jul 2015 11:50am Member: Joined Aug 2013 Total posts:380 I was looking at the Now & Then on Ironmonger row and I had a feeling the positioning wasn't right.
So I used a piece of map from pre 1936 and a piece of present day map from Google Maps, on both of them I drew a line from the New Buildings entrance, on the old map along the Ironmonger Row line to its Cross Cheaping exit and on the new map a line to Cross Cheaping exit of the supposed remains of Ironmonger Row, which the council now calls Palmer Lane.
The resulting drawn lines are very different angles and from Cross Cheaping side with the roads themselves one goes down and the other goes upwards.
![]() |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
dutchman Spon End All posts by this member | 3 of 60 Tue 7th Jul 2015 12:41pm Member: Joined Mar 2010 Total posts:2976 Yes, there were four buildings between what is now Forbidden Planet and the corner of pre-war Ironmonger Row. Rob wouldn't have known that when the site was first constructed as there was very little information available at the time. There's still much doubt and debate about the exact location of some places in Coventry. ![]() |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Derrickarthur Coventry All posts by this member | 4 of 60 Tue 7th Jul 2015 12:48pm Member: Joined Nov 2014 Total posts:192 The red line on the later google map has been drawn at the wrong angle. The dead end street to the left of Donnington House is the remnant of Palmer Lane (shown on the old map) and should meet the red line at right angles. |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
dutchman Spon End All posts by this member | 5 of 60 Tue 7th Jul 2015 1:14pm Member: Joined Mar 2010 Total posts:2976 Osmiroid is correct, the entry pictured on Rob's Now and Then page is not the remains of Ironmonger Row. |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Osmiroid UK All posts by this member | 6 of 60 Tue 7th Jul 2015 1:29pm Member: Joined Aug 2013 Total posts:380 Thanks Dutchman. Yes, it was about drawing a line from a known point, the New Buildings entrance, to the two locations in the Now & Then. |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Osmiroid UK All posts by this member | 7 of 60 Tue 7th Jul 2015 3:47pm Member: Joined Aug 2013 Total posts:380 ![]() |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Rob Orland Historic Coventry All posts by this member | 8 of 60 Wed 8th Jul 2015 7:30am Webmaster: Joined Jan 2010 Total posts:1653 Super work Osmiroid, well done. If I'd done that "now and then" nowadays I would indeed have done the same as you, by overlaying maps to get the correct place - as I did for some of the later ones I added. At the time, however, without knowing the exact place that Ironmonger Row popped out into Cross Cheaping, I simply plumped for somewhere that modern day folk could identify with, and sort of looked like it could be the original street exit. Next time I'm around there I'll try to remember to take a camera and get closer to the real position.
Many thanks again for your good work, ![]() |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Midland Red Cherwell All posts by this member | 9 of 60 Wed 8th Jul 2015 10:07am Moderator: Joined Jan 2010 Total posts:5606 Just had a look around, but can't find anything constructive
Interesting, though, looking at Spennells 1912/13:
Left-hand side of Burges, from Hales Street, ended with no.30 Home & Colonial Stores
Left-hand side of Cross Cheaping, from Burges, started with no.29 Coventry Cross
Coventry Cross subsequently became no.31 Burges, the address it carries today!
Who decided to move Coventry Cross from Cross Cheaping to Burges, when, and why???
Forbidden Planet is at 31 Cross Cheaping, the address that the building had in Spennells (ie two doors up from no.29 Coventry Cross)
The pub in the "Now & Then" photo is Cross Cheaping Vaults, 37 Cross Cheaping, on the corner of Ironmonger Row |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Osmiroid UK All posts by this member | 10 of 60 Wed 8th Jul 2015 12:33pm Member: Joined Aug 2013 Total posts:380 Rob, no problem glad to help :)
Cliff, I think the real Ironmonger Row may be all covered by buildings now?
A strange one which I don't get is the council using the Ironmonger name for what was virtually and maybe partially Little Butcher Row!!! |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Osmiroid UK All posts by this member | 11 of 60 Thu 9th Jul 2015 3:57pm Member: Joined Aug 2013 Total posts:380 I did this other one, I wanted to see how the modern day "Ironmonger Row" related to the Little Butcher Row location and also show visually how far it is from the original Ironmonger Row. I used a piece of Google Maps for working it out.
(No guarantee of how accurate my work is)
![]() |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Helen F Warrington All posts by this member | 12 of 60 Thu 9th Jul 2015 6:17pm Moderator: Joined Mar 2013 Total posts:2603 Image showing Ironmonger Row 1939
Little Butcher Row did run roughly where the modern Ironmonger Row is today but it was demolished before the war. Both Butcher Row and Little Butcher Row were gone but Ironmonger Row remained. Trinity Street was created and formed a wedge with Cross Cheaping around the then new Owen Owen store. The store was heavily bombed and at some point the area was rebuilt in a different layout, removing the linking Ironmonger Road but shifting it to the blunter end between Trinity Street and Cross Cheaping/The Burges. So it wasn't so much using a historical name as moving one that was already in use.
Edited by member, 9th Jul 2015 6:21 pm |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Rob Orland Historic Coventry All posts by this member | 13 of 60 Thu 9th Jul 2015 9:08pm Webmaster: Joined Jan 2010 Total posts:1653 I'd come to the same conclusion as you, and this afternoon also made an "overlaid" map, which, as you can see below, is extremely similar to yours!
The original Ironmonger Row is highlighted in turquoise, while the new layout of the same streetname is in pink.... uncomfortably close to the original Butcher Row in green! As usual, logic and reason go out of the window!
![]() |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Osmiroid UK All posts by this member | 14 of 60 Thu 9th Jul 2015 9:39pm Member: Joined Aug 2013 Total posts:380 Nice bit of work there!!! Yes, it's at the very least right next to LBR on the one side, and as you've shown probably actually on it. |
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row | |
Midland Red Cherwell All posts by this member | 15 of 60 Sat 29th Oct 2016 4:16pm Moderator: Joined Jan 2010 Total posts:5606 From another thread:
On 26th Oct 2012 9:14am, Foxcote said:
Unusual shot towards Broadgate
|
Town Planning and Development - Ironmonger Row |