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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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256 of 270  Thu 29th Apr 2021 8:33am  
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Dreamtime, hello, Hope you’re keeping well, through that hot weather and now the lockdown. To answer your question, I would think small in number, you could hear them from a long way off, and you could feel the underfoot vibrations close up, but I loved them because they offered more open air spaces than the buses that became smoke laden travel.
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argon
New Milton
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257 of 270  Thu 29th Apr 2021 10:10am  
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Kaga, my aunt who lived on Stoney Stanton Road opposite the Swanswell in the 1930's had a Jack Russell that used to board the tram by himself and stay on to Bell Green terminus and return, getting off at the Swanswell again. That was your tram riding era, so you may have met him. Edited by member, 29th Apr 2021 10:12 am
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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258 of 270  Sat 21st Aug 2021 2:15pm  
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Just inside the bottom of Bishop Street was a loop, that turned the trams from a double track to a single, when they passed by The Old Wheel. There was another loop onto the Foleshill Road, that turned them back to double track from single, but what was the method that trams knew when they could enter a single line from either end? I do not know, as there where no radio's in those days, and blind to each other.
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mcsporran
Coventry & Cebu
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259 of 270  Sun 22nd Aug 2021 6:54am  
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An article entitled "A History of Coventry Tramways" by F.K. Farrell appeared in the "Tramway Review" issue 30 of 1961 in a section headed "SIGNAL LIGHTS" had the following to say: "The signal lights invented by Mr. Whitehead, the Coventry manager, were installed to cover all single-track sections where it was not possible to see a car at the next loop. When a car approached a single-track section it switched on a green light at its own end of the section, a red light at the far end. If two cars approached from opposite directions, red and green lights appeared at both ends of the section, but the driver would have observed if the green or red appeared first. When two cars in the same direction entered the same section, the first car to reach the other end would clear the red light, so that a car in the opposite direction could enter the section, and meet the second car between loops; a furious argument between the drivers then ensued as to which car should reverse".
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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260 of 270  Sun 22nd Aug 2021 9:27am  
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mcsporran, Thank you, but I hardly think that was around in the 1920/30’s and before. Can you find out more? The trams stopped during the 1940 raid when the wires came tumbling down. No power, no trams.
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Midland Red
Cherwell
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261 of 270  Sun 22nd Aug 2021 9:53am  
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Kaga. Whitehead’s timeline suggests it could have been! “Thomas Whitehead was born in 1868, the son of a Leeds chemist. While at Leeds he was involved in establishing the first electric tramway in the country. On joining Coventry Electric Tramways Limited in 1896, he oversaw the electrification of the Coventry system. He retained his position as General Manager at the Corporation takeover in 1912 until his retirement in 1933. Thereafter he moved to Scarborough and died there in 1945.”
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Annewiggy
Tamworth
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262 of 270  Sun 22nd Aug 2021 11:02am  
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The electric signalling apparatus is mentioned in the newspaper in the proceedings of the police court of a fatal accident on 6th November 1918.
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PhiliPamInCoventry
Holbrooks
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263 of 270  Sun 22nd Aug 2021 3:16pm  
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On 22nd Aug 2021 9:27am, Kaga simpson said: mcsporran, Thank you, but I hardly think that was around in the 1920/30’s and before. Can you find out more? The trams stopped during the 1940 raid when the wires came tumbling down. No power, no trams.
Me neither, but I was listening to two residents of St Paul's Rd, Dr Bacon of 64 & Mr Brown of 24, describing the scene where a bomb had bellied down onto the track at the Foleshill Rd end of St Paul's Rd, where the track was projecting at an angle of around 60deg, into the air. So no track either. Thank you for your posts & memories on this.
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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264 of 270  Sun 22nd Aug 2021 3:30pm  
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Hi all, I was quiet aware of the electricity that drove the trams, but could not remember traffic lights. Now taking a further look I do believe you can see the lights on the Old Wheel pub. My apologies to everyone.
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NeilsYard
Coventry
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265 of 270  Fri 3rd Sep 2021 3:31pm  
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Just found this. Think this is the most comprehensive tram map I've seen so far. Apologies for the resolution. If anyone wants a zoom up of any specific area, let me know.
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Helen F
Warrington
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266 of 270  Sun 5th Sep 2021 2:00pm  
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Good that it shows the single and double track areas. I wonder if there were rules like 'stop at passing place by the Wheatsheaf until the 21 passes you coming the other way'?
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PeterB
Mount Nod
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267 of 270  Mon 6th Sep 2021 3:43pm  
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Probably "drive on sight". If the single track is clear you can proceed. The longest single track section is about 1000 yds and straight, most are a lot shorter. If you do have a "meeting" on the single line one tram has to swing its trolley pole and go back a loop so not too serious. At the slow speeds there is little risk of a collision. Some tram lines had automatic signals on single lines, but I think these were developed too late for Coventry. On blind corners an inspector could be provided to hand signal the trams. The "wait for No.21 at the Wheatsheaf" is fine until No.21 doesn't turn up. The inspectors hut in Broadgate was much photographed, but were there any others?
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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268 of 270  Tue 7th Sep 2021 9:13am  
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Peter B you have to remember before 1940 Coventry had little traffic, spaced out houses, great Heathes, the trams could be heard from miles away, put your head down near the line and you got this zinging noise down the line, we got used to listening to this noise and could judge how far away the tram was, before it came insight, there where few blind corners, Leicester row and the Swanswell became the first then Hale street. and every thing more on time. in ten years I never saw a problem except the top of Bishop street, here was the canal basin and very tall buildings.
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Annewiggy
Tamworth
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269 of 270  Tue 7th Sep 2021 9:47am  
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Hi PeterB if you read a few posts back, there was an electric signalling system in place at about 1918 and was invented by Thomas Whitehead who was working for Coventry Electric Tramways.
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
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270 of 270  Tue 7th Sep 2021 11:52am  
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Since reading MR’s post 261, I found enormous documents on this topic from Foleshill Railway to other tram depots. Bringing trams in and out of Foleshill Depot onto the main line required some sort of signals, as Annewiggy said, but nothing was mentioned of the countryside it went through in those days, so I thought I would mention it.
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